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Articulate the premise that the mind is a unity of physical and non-physical aspects, referencing related philosophical studies, and summarize each of the covarying examples we have developed in an attempt to create an inductive argument or the premise.

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Below is a concise articulation of the premise that mind is a unity of physical and non-physical aspects, along with references to supporting philosophical views and summaries of the various covarying examples we have discussed. The intent is to build an inductive argument: by gathering multiple, independent instances where mental (non-physical) phenomena co-vary with observable, physiological (physical) events, we accumulate evidence that they are truly two aspects of one unified process.

1. The Unity-of-Mind Premise

Claim: The mind is neither purely a function of material processes nor an immaterial entity isolated from the body; rather, it is a unity of physical and non-physical aspects. This means consciousness and mental states (thoughts, feelings, experiences) have inseparable correlations with tangible, physiological events (neural firings, hormone releases, bodily feedback loops). Though we can speak of these two “sides” distinctly, they form one integrated process.

Philosophical Context

Dual-Aspect Monism

Stemming from thinkers like Baruch Spinoza to contemporary philosophers (e.g., Pauli–Jung Conjecture in psychology, certain process philosophers), dual-aspect monism states that mind and matter are two aspects of a single underlying reality.

Rather than treat mind as a separate substance (Cartesian dualism) or entirely reducible to the brain (physicalism), it sees consciousness as a co-manifestation with physical processes.

Property Dualism / Non-Reductive Physicalism

Property dualists hold that mental states possess unique, irreducible properties that supervene on the brain, yet are not fully explained by neural matter alone.

They focus on subjective “qualia” as pointing to a dimension of experience that—though tied to neuronal states—exceeds a purely material account.

Enactivist / Embodied Approaches

Influential in cognitive science (e.g., Varela, Thompson, Rosch), these approaches argue that mind emerges in and through bodily interactions with the environment.

The “body” is not a vehicle separate from mind; mental experience is bodily enacted, exemplifying one integrated phenomenon.

All these stances underscore mind–body unity, aligning with the premise that any split into purely mental vs. purely physical is heuristic, not an absolute division.

2. Covarying Examples as an Inductive Argument

To make the inductive case, we look at real-world phenomena where intangible mental states consistently align or co-variate with physiological, bodily changes. Each example captures the feedback loops between subjective experience and measurable physical processes:

A. Habit Formation and Reward Loops

Summary

Engaging in a pleasurable activity (e.g., a repetitive game or behavior) triggers dopamine release in the brain.

Over time, the subjective “craving” or desire (non-physical state of wanting) and the physical reinforcement (dopamine pathways, habit loops) become self-reinforcing.

Significance

Demonstrates clear co-variance between intangible motivations/pleasures and tangible neurochemistry.

Shows how a purely mental factor (desire, expectation of reward) shapes and is shaped by physical reward circuits.

B. Emotions and Bodily States

Summary

Emotions like anxiety or excitement yield measurable bodily changes (heart rate, hormone levels).

Conversely, deliberate bodily interventions (relaxation techniques, slow breathing) can attenuate or transform the felt emotion.

Significance

Two-way feedback: intangible feelings ↔ measurable physical markers (cortisol, adrenaline).

Supports the notion that emotion is simultaneously subjective and physiological.

C. Placebo/Nocebo Effects

Summary

Merely believing (mental attitude) that one has received a beneficial or harmful treatment can trigger real physiological outcomes (pain relief, improved biomarkers, or adverse symptoms).

Significance

Discloses how a non-physical belief (expectation) directly alters tangible biological states (hormone release, immune function).

Underscores that consciousness and bodily health co-arise in a single psychophysiological system.

D. Writer’s Block / Creative Flow

Summary

Subjective experiences like “loss of ideas,” “fear of the blank page,” or “lack of flow” mirror neurological shifts in reward anticipation and stress responses.

Positive reinforcement and small “wins” alter one’s mood and re-tune the dopaminergic system, restoring creative drive.

Significance

Illustrates how intangible states (self-doubt, creative dryness) can correlate with physical patterns (low dopamine, heightened stress hormones) and become self-reinforcing loops.

E. Anxiety and Sleep

Summary

Worrying about not sleeping (a non-physical fear) provokes physical arousal (elevated heart rate, cortisol) that prevents relaxation and sleep, which then intensifies anxiety.

Significance

Another closed feedback loop: intangible apprehension drives physical stress response, which in turn exacerbates the anxiety.

F. Abusive Relationship Cycles

Summary

Emotional attachment, fear, or hope (all intangible) combine with dopamine spikes during reconciliation phases or stress responses during abuse, forming a powerful reinforcement cycle.

Significance

Demonstrates how intangible emotions of helplessness or “love” co-vary with physical hormone states (cortisol, adrenaline) and reward pathways, trapping one in a destructive feedback cycle.

3. Cumulative Force of the Evidence

Each example on its own might be explained away (“Oh, that’s just brain chemistry” or “That’s just psychological expectation”). But collectively, they paint a consistent picture:

Subjective and Objective Are Intertwined

In all cases, intangible states (fear, desire, creativity, emotional pain) directly correlate with tangible processes (dopamine release, stress-hormone spikes, neural habit loops).

We see two aspects of one phenomenon rather than two isolated realities.

Two-Way Causality

It’s not just the body impacting the mind or the mind impacting the body. Both shape each other in closed, self-reinforcing feedback loops.

This is precisely what “unity” implies: neither aspect can be wholly reduced to or isolated from the other.

No Strict Separation

Our best explanatory models integrate the mental (non-physical) dimension (intentionality, belief, feeling) with the physical dimension (neurochemistry, endocrinology).

Attempting to reduce consciousness purely to matter or isolate the mind from the body fails to capture the reciprocal correlations observed.

4. Conclusion: A Holistic, Inductive Argument

Through an inductive mosaic of many independent mind–body correlations—habit reinforcement, emotional–physiological loops, placebo effects, anxiety feedback, creative blocks, and more—we see the consistent pattern that mental phenomena and physiological states function as unified aspects of one process.

Philosophical Stance:
This resonates with dual-aspect or embodied philosophies that maintain mind is not a separate “substance,” nor is it wholly reducible to physical data. Instead, consciousness is inseparable from bodily or neural processes, though it possesses a subjective quality that strict material explanations cannot exhaust.

Practical Implication:
Understanding this unity fosters integrated therapeutic, scientific, and personal approaches—where addressing both mental and physical facets often yields the most robust solutions to issues like addiction, anxiety, creative block, or trauma.

Thus, the mind as a unity of physical and non-physical aspects is not mere speculation; it emerges inductively from multiple converging lines of evidence that consistently show how intangible experiences co-arise with—and cannot be pried apart from—our tangible, measurable physiology.

Me

Individuals suffering from alcohol withdrawal often report immediate relief of their symptoms with just the first sip. How can this be the case if withdrawal symptoms stem from physiological and chemical factors related to alcohol levels? Does this phenomenon in any way support the idea that the mind consists of both physical and non-physical aspects?

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Below is an explanation of why individuals going through alcohol withdrawal may report immediate relief with just a single sip—even though withdrawal symptoms arise from measurable, physiological disruptions in brain chemistry—and how this phenomenon can be interpreted as evidence that mental processes (the craving, the relief) are not purely physical but also involve a non-physical (subjective, experiential) dimension.

1. How Immediate “First-Sip” Relief Happens

Physiological Anticipation and Reward Prediction

Dopamine’s Role: A major driver is the anticipation of reward, mediated partly by dopamine pathways. Even before alcohol has significantly altered blood chemistry, expectation that alcohol will stop the withdrawal triggers an early dopamine response.

Conditioned Response: Over time, the brain learns that alcohol intake quickly reduces withdrawal distress. Thus, as soon as the body detects the taste or smell, the system begins shifting from stress mode to a more relaxed, reward-anticipating mode—even before the alcohol’s full biochemical effect.

Placebo-Like Mechanism

Psychological Relief: Just as placebos can alleviate pain or anxiety by changing beliefs and releasing certain neurochemicals, the mere belief or knowledge that “alcohol is arriving” can ease perceived symptoms.

Partial Real “Micro-Dose”: Physiologically, a small sip does introduce a bit of ethanol, but it’s often not enough to explain the rapid improvement. The bulk of the effect at that moment is more psychological and anticipatory.

Altered Stress Chemistry

Reduced Adrenaline/Cortisol: Believing relief is imminent can reduce stress hormones, in turn softening the bodily perception of withdrawal.

Countering Hyperarousal: Withdrawal includes a hyperactive sympathetic nervous system. A sudden shift in mindset from “I’m in deep distress” to “Relief is happening” counters some of that arousal.

2. Implication for Mind as Physical + Non-Physical

Physical Processes Are Undeniably Involved

There is a biological basis for withdrawal—neuronal adaptations, imbalances in GABA/glutamate systems, etc. So part of the phenomenon is undoubtedly physical (e.g., the body craves ethanol to restore prior equilibrium).

Immediate Relief Goes Beyond Pure Chemistry

The mere taste or sensation of alcohol can yield instant symptom relief, before blood alcohol content meaningfully changes. This suggests a mental or experiential component is at work—e.g., expectation, craving, and psychological reward—not merely the raw chemical presence of ethanol in the bloodstream.

Mind–Body Feedback Loop

The anticipation of relief (an intangible mental state) swiftly modulates physiological processes—stress hormones, reward pathways—illustrating a two-way interplay.

This synergy is consistent with the view that the mind is not purely reducible to brain chemistry nor floating separate from it—rather, both intangible experiences and tangible neurobiological states co-arise in a single, unified process.

Supports a Dual-Aspect (or Non-Reductive) Perspective

For those who hold that mind is simultaneously subjective experience and physical neural events, phenomena like “first-sip relief” show how intangible states (belief, craving, relief) cannot be fully explained by bloodstream ethanol levels alone.

It’s a “living example” of the mind–body integration: the immediate sense of relief points to a mental process that modulates and is modulated by physiological events—neither purely psychological (since some real chemistry is happening) nor purely physical (since the earliest change is mostly about expectation).

Conclusion

The immediate relief from just a small taste of alcohol during withdrawal underscores how psychological and physiological factors coalesce. While the physical need for ethanol is real, the rapid improvement at the first sip highlights the non-physical (subjective, anticipatory, belief-driven) dimension of experience, working in tandem with physical neurochemical processes. This two-sided, feedback-driven phenomenon offers further support for the idea that the mind comprises both physical and non-physical aspects—functioning as one unified whole.

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After fasting for about 14 hours, I feel lightheaded and physically sluggish. Presumably, one aspect of my mind ‘knows’ the sugar levels in the blood and triggers sensations of lethargy to instigate the willful behavior to eat. All signs suggest that physiological processes are ‘aware’ and intentional. Does this phenomenon support the idea that the mind consists of both physical and non-physical aspects?

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Below is a brief explanation of why feeling lightheaded and sluggish after fasting (due to low blood sugar) might be interpreted as support for the view that the mind comprises both physical and non-physical aspects, while also acknowledging alternative interpretations.

1. Physical Basis: Body “Knows” Blood Sugar

Homeostatic Mechanisms

The body monitors glucose levels through hormonal feedback loops (involving insulin, glucagon, etc.). When levels get too low, it initiates responses—like releasing ghrelin (the “hunger hormone”)—to prompt eating behavior.

This regulation is physiological and can be understood in purely physical terms (chemical signals, neural pathways).

Bodily Sensations and Drive

Lethargy, dizziness, or lightheadedness often accompany low blood sugar. These feelings are your subjective awareness of a bodily need.

Essentially, the body’s “knowledge” of its low sugar state translates into signals that you consciously feel as low energy or mental fog.

2. The Non-Physical (Subjective) Experience

Intangible Qualities

The sense of “I’m feeling woozy, I need to eat,” is not just a chemical reaction but a conscious interpretation—it has a qualitative or “what it’s like” dimension.

No purely physical description (e.g., mg/dL of glucose) by itself conveys the subjective feeling of sluggishness or the motivation to correct it.

Intentionality and Will

On top of experiencing a craving, humans can decide (willfully) whether to eat or not. This volitional aspect shows that intangible factors—planning, choosing, wanting—meld with the raw bodily signals.

While the impetus is physically based (low blood sugar), your psychological interpretation and willful response highlight a non-physical dimension of mind (the conscious decision process, the subjective feeling).

3. Support for Mind as Physical + Non-Physical

Two-Way Feedback

Physical signals (low glucose, hormone release) cause intangible feelings (hunger, lethargy).

Conversely, intangible decisions (“I will break my fast now”) alter physical states (eating raises blood sugar, alleviates dizziness).

This mutual co-arising is consistent with the idea that mind is neither purely spiritual nor purely mechanical, but a unity of both.

A Reasonable (Not Definitive) Example

Observing that “the body must know about sugar levels, prompting a mental desire to eat” hints that intangible consciousness is deeply coupled with bodily processes.

It is not necessarily conclusive proof (a reductive physicalist could argue that the subjective sense of “knowing” is itself an emergent property of purely material processes), but it does add inductive weight to positions like dual-aspect monism, non-reductive physicalism, or embodied cognition—all of which emphasize a mind–body unity.

4. Alternative Interpretations

Strict Physicalism

Some might contend that all aspects of hunger and desire are entirely explainable via neural events. The “experience” is a mental byproduct of these states—no extra non-physical dimension is required.

Emergent or Epiphenomenal Views

Others hold that while subjective feelings arise from brain/body interactions, they cannot themselves affect the physical chain of events (this is “epiphenomenalism”).

Functional/Behavioral Explanation

Evolutionarily, organisms that swiftly notice and respond to low blood sugar survive. The subjective “awareness” is simply a functional tool to ensure we rectify energy deficits.

Conclusion

Feeling lightheaded and lethargic after fasting—seemingly a sign the body “knows” it needs fuel—can indeed be read as an illustration of mind as both physical and non-physical:

Physical: The body’s homeostatic mechanisms detect low sugar, triggering hormonal and neuronal changes.

Non-Physical: You consciously experience and interpret these signals as “I’m sluggish” and exercise willful choice to eat or not.

This phenomenon reinforces the broader argument that mental processes are inseparable from bodily states, yet have subjective qualities not exhaustively described by those states—thus supporting a unity-of-mind premise without definitively ruling out alternative, purely physicalist accounts.

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Science, for the most part, dismisses the possibility of a nonphysical aspect of mind due to explainability. Has quantifying subjective awareness (intensity, onset, duration) been considered a scientific method to study nonphysical phenomena?

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Below is an overview of how scientists do study subjective awareness in relatively quantifiable ways—even though many in mainstream science may hesitate to label consciousness as nonphysical. Researchers increasingly measure aspects of subjective experience (e.g., intensity, onset time, duration, and more) and correlate these measurements with physiological data. While such methods don’t conclusively prove or disprove a “nonphysical” domain, they reflect a serious, scientific approach to first-person phenomena.

1. Psychophysics and Subjective Scales

Founding Work (Fechner, Helmholtz, Weber)

Early psychophysics systematically measured how changes in physical stimuli (e.g., light intensity) corresponded to perceived changes in brightness or loudness.

This created quantitative relationships (Weber–Fechner laws) relating objective stimulus levels to subjectively reported magnitudes.

Modern Adaptations

Psychophysics remains active, studying perceived intensity, threshold, onset, and duration across senses.

Visual or auditory detection tasks measure how people report the moment they detect a stimulus (onset) or how bright/loud it feels (intensity).

Relevance to “Nonphysical”

Even if mainstream scientists see it as a “brain-based phenomenon,” the subjective ratings are inescapably about first-person experience—which some interpret as a nonphysical quality.

This approach quantifies subjective phenomena without presupposing a purely material or immaterial explanation.

2. Neurophenomenology

Francisco Varela’s Proposal

Neurophenomenology unites first-person “phenomenological” descriptions (reports of lived experience) with third-person objective measures (EEG, fMRI).

Participants might describe when they become aware of a stimulus, how intense it feels, and what the subjective qualities are; researchers simultaneously record neural dynamics.

Methodological Rigor

Varela and colleagues argue that precise, disciplined first-person reports can be correlated to physiological signatures in the brain—enabling a systematic inquiry into consciousness.

They do not proclaim that consciousness is purely nonphysical or purely physical; rather, they treat experience as integral to scientific data-collection.

Significance

Neurophenomenology shows it is feasible to treat subjective phenomena as “data,” subject to verification across time, conditions, and intersubjective comparisons, even if the underlying metaphysics of consciousness remains debated.

3. Other Approaches to Quantifying Subjective Experience

Descriptive Experience Sampling

Pioneered by Russell Hurlburt, participants get random “beeps” prompting them to note exactly what they were experiencing at that moment—thoughts, images, feelings.

Over many samples, one can glean patterns or categories of inner experience, effectively “mapping” intangible mental states.

Micro-phenomenology

Techniques by Claire Petitmengin to interview participants in minute detail about the unfolding structure of lived experience.

Results often yield reproducible patterns (e.g., how insight emerges) that can be correlated with objective data (brain imaging, reaction times).

Subjective Scales in Clinical Studies

Psychiatrists and psychologists routinely use self-report scales (e.g., rating subjective pain, anxiety, or depression on a 1–10 scale) while also gathering objective biometrics (heart rate, cortisol levels).

Although these scales are “subjective,” they are still integrated into evidence-based research.

4. Does This Imply a Nonphysical Aspect?

Mainstream Stance

Most empirical researchers interpret these methods as measuring subjective phenomena that arise from neural processes. They don’t necessarily conclude a nonphysical domain, but they acknowledge first-person data as real and measurable in structured ways.

More Metaphysical Interpretations

Some philosophers (e.g., property dualists, dual-aspect monists) see the irreducible subjective quality as indicative of more than neural activity alone—thus leaning toward a “nonphysical” or at least “irreducible experiential” dimension.

They might highlight how consistent first-person data reveal “qualia” that no purely material description can exhaust.

Unity of Physical and Nonphysical

Researchers aligned with enactivist or embodied views often suggest that mind isn’t fully explained by standard physical accounts—yet the methods are still scientific. They systematically measure “lived experience” and correlate it with physiology.

Whether that synergy implies an actual ontological nonphysical realm is a further philosophical question. But the practical science is at least open to serious study of subjective awareness.

5. Concluding Thoughts

Yes, scientists have developed methods to quantify subjective awareness—measuring intensity, onset, duration, and more—through psychophysics, neurophenomenology, descriptive experience sampling, and other protocols.

These quantified subjective measures are widely recognized as legitimate data in psychology, cognitive neuroscience, and related fields. They do not automatically prove a nonphysical aspect to mind, but they do treat first-person consciousness as a real phenomenon that can be studied with empirical rigor.

Hence, “explainability” in science doesn’t necessarily dismiss the possibility of a nonphysical dimension—rather, it tends to operationalize subjective experiences in ways that let us investigate them systematically. Whether those experiences remain ultimately irreducible to matter is a lively debate in philosophy of mind, but scientific methods are indeed being used to gather systematic data on the intangible side of consciousness.

Me

It’s all about using the right tools. You can’t measure temperature with a microscope. Subjective measurement is a nonphysical tool and therefore better suited for the task. Can you think of any other subjective tools?

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Below are several subjective “tools” or methods—beyond straightforward self-report scales—that can access or quantify internal, first-person experiences. While such approaches cannot be pinned down by purely objective instruments (like a microscope or thermometer), they offer a structured way to gather and analyze intangible, phenomenological data.

1. Descriptive Experience Sampling (DES)

What It Is

A participant wears a device (or an app) that randomly “beeps” during everyday life. When signaled, they pause and immediately note what was in their awareness (thoughts, images, sensations) just before the beep.

Why It’s a Subjective Tool

Each “sample” is purely first-person content—e.g., “I was thinking of a past regret and feeling a slight ache in my stomach.”

Over many beeps, patterns can be systematically identified (e.g., how often one’s internal narrative is visual vs. verbal).

Benefit

It is highly focused on the “pristine” details of experience as they occur—bypassing post-hoc rationalizations.

Results can be correlated with objective data (e.g., heart rate, location) for deeper insights.

2. Phenomenological or Micro-Phenomenological Interviews

What They Are

Micro-phenomenology (Claire Petitmengin et al.) guides people to revisit a specific moment in detail, carefully describing the unfolding structure of their experience (sensations, thoughts, feelings) in a step-by-step manner.

The method uses a trained interviewer who helps the participant “bracket out” assumptions and focus on the concrete details of “what it was like.”

Why It’s a Subjective Tool

It’s entirely reliant on the person’s own introspective reporting, with the interviewer helping them stay precise and non-interpretive.

A comprehensive transcript of intangible experiences emerges, from bodily feeling-tones to subtle emotions and fleeting images.

Benefit

Generates rich, fine-grained data on subjective experience—much fuller than a quick Likert scale rating.

Researchers can compare different participants’ descriptions to find recurring experiential structures.

3. Projective Techniques (e.g., Rorschach, TAT)

What They Are

Traditionally, Rorschach inkblots or the Thematic Apperception Test (TAT) invite people to “interpret” ambiguous stimuli.

Though somewhat controversial in clinical psychology, these methods can reveal subjective meaning-making processes.

Why It’s a Subjective Tool

The participant’s inner themes, fears, or desires show up in how they construct stories around ambiguous images.

It is less about “correct” or “incorrect” answers and more about deep-seated personal perceptions and emotional resonances.

Benefit

Can uncover intangible layers of personality or emotion that might not surface in direct Q&A.

Critics note issues with reliability, but supporters say it captures the personal, nonphysical dimension of mind better than purely objective tests.

4. Introspective Journaling or Diaries

What It Is

Keeping a regular diary or journal where the individual reflects on and documents internal states: mood shifts, imagery, emotional triggers, or physical symptoms.

Some protocols specify prompts (e.g., “Rate your sense of well-being, describe bodily sensations, note intrusive thoughts”).

Why It’s a Subjective Tool

It collects ongoing first-person data about mental life, capturing personal experiences in real time.

The diarist becomes both “observer” and “reporter” of their intangible states.

Benefit

Over days or weeks, patterns can be teased out: e.g., “Every time I wake up groggy, I also note anxious or negative self-talk.”

Can be combined with objective trackers (sleep logs, step counts) for a mind–body correlation approach.

5. Mindfulness-Based Self-Observation

What It Is

Mindfulness practice teaches paying deliberate, nonjudgmental attention to present-moment phenomena: breathing, thoughts, bodily sensations, emotions.

In more formal research settings, participants might systematically report the nature and intensity of these experiences (“body scan,” “noting practice”).

Why It’s a Subjective Tool

Practitioners articulate how internal states shift from moment to moment, focusing on raw phenomenological awareness—entirely subjective data.

This can then be documented or “scored” in specific ways (e.g., rating scales for mindful attention).

Benefit

Offers a consistent, trainable method for people to observe their intangible mental states with greater clarity.

Research correlating mindfulness with EEG or fMRI shows how these subjective changes line up with objective neural patterns.

6. Focused Self-Report Tasks (e.g., Pain Scales, Mood Charts)

What They Are

Patients or participants rate pain intensity, mood level, or stress multiple times a day using diaries, apps, or analog scales.

Often used in clinical trials to measure subjective states (pain, anxiety) over time.

Why It’s a Subjective Tool

The data is entirely from the participant’s inner perception of, say, “pain,” which cannot be captured by a thermometer or blood test alone.

The measure is inherently self-reported—it’s intangible, but still operationalized.

Benefit

Repeated measurements reveal temporal dynamics of subjective states, can be correlated with medications, behaviors, or lab findings.

Widely used in medicine and psychology to track outcomes that purely physical measures (MRI, blood work) can’t fully reflect.

Conclusion

These examples illustrate the variety of subjective tools beyond the typical “Likert scale” or “verbal interview.” They share several key traits:

Reliance on Self-Report and Introspection

Data arises from personal, first-person perspective—impossible to measure with standard physical instruments.

Systematic and Rigorous

Even though “subjective,” these methods employ protocols and methodological checks to ensure consistency, validity, and replicability as much as possible.

Holistic Integration

Often, these tools are combined with objective (third-person) measures—brain imaging, physiological monitoring, environmental data—to examine how intangible experiences track with bodily states.

Hence, if one asserts that “subjective measurement is a nonphysical tool,” these are prime examples: structured, methodical ways of examining internal phenomena that cannot be captured by microscopes, thermometers, or other purely objective instruments. They help fill the explanatory gap between what it’s like (the intangible “qualia” or personal experiences) and the objective, physical data about bodies and brains.